Full interview: West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner
Full interview: West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner
Mr Secretary. Thank you for making time for us today. Sure, good to be with you. Let's talk about one of the issues that we're hearing here at this annual conference of the National Association of Secretaries of State in the fight against election fraud. We're hearing about this fight over fraud detection. I'm speaking about the electronic registration Information Center, Eric where some states have decided to leave uh including yours. Uh This group has traditionally helped states catch people who are ineligible to vote or they double voted or they're registered in multiple states. Uh When we talked to you earlier this year at this very conference, I asked you about Eric and you mentioned that your participation had helped you tackle *** very serious problem that you had taken people off the rolls. You said there are concerns by several of my conservative colleagues that that information is being used improperly. Now, I haven't seen proof of that. If I saw proof of that we would be out in *** heartbeat. Did you see proof? Our problem was the barriers to entry into uh Eric. They're stuck at about 31 32 states and it wasn't going to grow past that. So we raised that with them. So you have to eliminate these barriers to entry. And then there was also this uh politization or partisanship on the board membership. We brought that to their attention and they agreed to address both those issues back in the February meeting and then took it off the agenda right the day before. And I thought it was disingenuous and those are the things that were cast enough uh doubt in our mind as to what the um intentions of, of er were. And so we thought there were better ways to go about it that would get to *** 50 state solution. And that's what we've been driving at since that time and we're making some great progress in that area. So, but to be clear, you have no doubt that it was of use to you. When you were *** member, there were aspects of it. You have to take the good with the bad. We took advantage of the good, but there was *** uh *** bad component to it, the politization of it that uh caused the concerns and got to the point where we said there's *** better way to go about doing what Eric is doing. And so now are you trying to address this with neighboring states individual compacts to get access to the same data? We, we are, in fact, most of the information does come from in our situation, Ohio Kentucky, Virginia, Pennsylvania, which is logical. It's the coasts states for people to move to. So, yes, we're working with those states to do just that. Let me talk to you about something else that's come up here at the National Association of Secretary of State Conference uh in past conferences. We've heard this talk about disinformation and misinformation. Now there seems to be this new frontier of disinformation, artificial intelligence. *** I deep fakes. We were with you when you did *** presentation to *** high school four years ago in 2019 about def fakes. You were warning about def fakes. You played one of then President Barack Obama. Are you worried about artificial intelligence and deep fake videos, misleading voters in your state? We absolutely are. Everybody has to be concerned about that. That's where the whole industry is looking right now towards artificial intelligence and the capabilities, the power of it. And so if it's can be used for good, it can also be used for bad. So we all have to be very alert to that and find ways to combat that. And you've been raising the alarm as we saw in our story for four years. Now, do you continue to do that program at high schools? Absolutely. Yes. Let me ask you about one of the topics that has come up here. Uh The Brennan Center for Justice in April released survey results that found about one in five election workers, 20% plan to quit before next year's presidential election. That's equivalent to 1 to 2 election officials quitting per day since the 2020 presidential election. They saw unprecedented threats against them. Disinformation COVID challenges, et cetera. Are you expecting higher than normal turnover of election workers in your state? We are not seeing that in West Virginia. There's obviously some but that's *** natural process. People that get older gets tired or whatever, new people coming in. So we have not seen *** large increase or anything in the departure of election workers. Finally and, and we haven't seen threats to election officials actually. So in West Virginia, I think, I think if you just abide by the law and stick with it, then you don't have as many complaints uh towards election officials. It's when people start changing the rules in the middle of the game, that's when the uh concern and the ire of the conspiracy theories, all those things up. So I think sticking to the rule of law and abiding by the law that the state legislatures, right is the way to uh decrease these threats to election officials and to be fair for the vast majority of rank and file election workers. They're just doing what they're told, right? They're just following the rules. Yeah. Finally. Uh what are you doing to prepare for the next statewide election in your state? Well, just this next month, in fact, *** couple of weeks we've got the statewide uh county clerks coming together for, for training. About *** third of our clerks turned over in the 2022 election. So we have *** fair number of new clerks to be trained up. Now, the good thing is many of them came from within the department. They were already working in the clerk's office. So we're not overly concerned that there are just that bringing them up to speed and obviously the concerns that are being raised here at the national level. We want to take those back to the clerks as well, Mr Secretary. Thank you for your time. Thank you.
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Full interview: West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner
West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner speaks to Chief National Investigative Correspondent Mark Albert.
West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner speaks to Chief National Investigative Correspondent Mark Albert.
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